Friday, January 29, 2010

Is Trevor Drown a Government Agent Provocateur?

Trevor Drown is running for U.S. Senate as an Independent. He has a facebook page which claims that he is "the only conservative in the race". By any reasonable definition of conservative, this is not true. But his devotees seem to afflict blogs like this one with an almost religious zeal.

I have only met Trevor Drown once. It was at an early attempt at forming a network of Tea Parties in Russellville. The meeting was an epic fail and I think it would have been even without Drown there, but he definitely helped. A few people were so rude that I could not even finish my little talk. But perhaps the rudest was Trevor Drown. He clearly did not want that meeting to go anywhere, and suggested that I was "like ACORN" for even considering that the handful of conservative groups there form a loose association.

So was it just that he did not want the staunch conservatives getting together under any banner but his, or was there something else at work? I wonder. Many have written about the large numbers of government agents that have infiltrated patriot groups (and groups that are just full of idiot racists). The government is worried whenever the peasants start taking that "rule by the people" stuff too seriously.

In addition, Obama information Czar Cass Sunstein "outlined a plan for the government to infiltrate conspiracy groups in order to undermine them via postings on chat rooms and social networks, as well as real meetings" according to a recently uncovered article Sunstein wrote for the Journal of Political Philosophy.

"In a 2008 article published in the Journal of Political Philosophy, Obama information czar Cass Sunstein outlined a plan for the government to stealthily infiltrate groups that pose alternative theories on historical events via “chat rooms, online social networks, or even real-space groups and attempt to undermine” those groups.

“It’s easy to destroy groups with “cognitive diversity.” You just take up meeting time with arguments to the point where people don’t come back. You make protest signs which alienate 90% of colleagues. You demand revolutionary violence from pacifist groups.”

This is what Sunstein is advocating when he writes of the need to infiltrate conspiracy groups and sow seeds of distrust amongst members in order to stifle the number of new recruits. This is classic “provocateur” style infiltration that came to the fore during the Cointelpro years, an FBI program from 1956-1971 that was focused around disrupting, marginalizing and neutralizing political dissidents.

“Sunstein argued that “government might undertake (legal) tactics for breaking up the tight cognitive clusters of extremist theories.” He suggested that “government agents (and their allies) might enter chat rooms, online social networks, or even real-space groups and attempt to undermine percolating conspiracy theories by raising doubts about their factual premises, causal logic or implications for political action,” reports Raw Story."

Am I saying that I think Drown did not really grow up in Russellville? Not at all. Am I saying that I am sure he is working for the government to infiltrate and sow "cognitive dissonance" among conservative groups? No. I don't know that. I just know that if that was what he was going to do, then he would behave just like he and his inner circle of blog spammers do behave. Witness their behavior on this recent thread (if you can stand the tedium of their posting).

They work Drown into the thread when no one was talking about him. They refused to engage on facts, instead simply repeating talking points that don't answer the questions (for example on what ISSUES does Drown differ from, say a Jim Holt). Rather they cut and paste Drown's talking points, which are standard uninspired boiler-plate conservative stuff, then shift to personally attacking me for asking the question. Then they spam the thread with long posts about completely irrelevant stuff. By the way, at least one of the main Drown for senate advocates on that thread is from out of state. The people doing this don't even necessarily live here!


It sounds just like the tactics Obama information Czar Sunstein was describing.
Simply vandalize the online spots where your political opposition hangs out. Make opposition blogs such unpleasant and irrelevant places to be that the average person does not go there anymore. I cannot dismiss the possibility that the Drown effort is a false flag operation designed to discover who the real conservative extremists are so that they can be safely watched and put on a government list. At the same time, they have the added plus (from the administration's perspective) of brewing dissatisfaction with any GOP opponent of Lincoln and possibly even drawing off enough votes to prompt her re-election.

On the thread I referenced, the Drowner quickly dismissed Instant Run-Off voting, a real cure to the real problem of vote splitting that would really allow independents fair access. It did not seem he was interested in advancing a real solution, just in pushing an agenda that he could not defend with facts or logic. Classic symptoms of a hired agent who simply spouts talking points but does not have any depth because it is not their true beliefs. It's a theory. Drowners want this blog to talk about Drown. Here it is, talk about this...

60 Comments:

Blogger Hank said...

Written just like a student of Saul Alinsky's from Rules For Radicals. When you have nothing on a person, make something up. Thanks for bringing his name up again and putting it out there.

6:54 AM, January 29, 2010  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

My vote is yes, they are. Not even leftist radicals are that classless. It takes government to be that boorish.

7:18 AM, January 29, 2010  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mr. Moore your a liar, running scared who's only weapon is smear.

Wow? Can I really do this?



I've decided to stand up after a year of watching this country under the "leadership" of BHO. I get so overwhelmed by politics sometimes that I just want to stick my head BACK in the sand. As a 42 year old wife for 22 years, a mother of 3, and a "Gammy" to 2, I've just been otherwise preoccupied. However, that has all changed. I'll admit I'm slow to get in the game, but that sand is oh so warm and safe! It's scary and intimadating out here for me, little old sheltered me, BUT, I do belive every vote counts and that mine does matter. So with all that being said, where do I start? Well, I got my start with Glenn Beck. Long car trip, satellite radio and boom here I am. I consider myself a very compassionate and fair person. I pride myself in listening to both sides, and not passing judgments on people for the color of their skin, religion, or political affiliations. Thats how my mama raised me!

I've joined Smart Girl Politics (where I feel very inferior) I've attended tea parties, I am a fan of Heritage House, and of course FOX news. I found a link to TrevorDrown for senate on my Smart Girls page, and after reading about him, decided I liked what he stood for. I know that I would have loved to vote for Jon Paul this past election but was afraid to for fear of that old vote splitting. I'm not scared anymore. I'm sick of the democrats, I'm sick of the republicans, I'm kinda sick of the whole mess. I'm not good with "facades" and pretending I'm someone I'm not, so I could never go into politics....No offense intended Trevor, but I do know that I want someone in office that cares about the same things as me. OK THAT being said, I now have a page here on which I'm supposed to post. Wow? Can I do this? Well, we'll see if anyone reads this.

I'm going to Lowes this afternoon for some sign "building" equipment and some more ink for my printer. While I might not be able to donate much to his campaign, I can put signs in my community, make some flyers, and do a lot of emailing. I come from a mostly democratic family, but you'll be thankful to know they all live in Oklahoma, so we don't have to worry 'bout them. I've already been admonished by one aunt who "doesn't appreciate Anti-Obama emails." Hmmmmm. Ok then. Shes off the list.

I've posted Trevors link on my facebook status where it will stay, even if I have something non-political to say that day. People will surely get curious enough to check it out.

Gonna get my flyers made and put them all over town, and once I get my petition I will go door to door and start getting signatures. WOW? CAN I REALLY DO THIS? Yes, I CAN. I WANT CHANGE. And if I sit on my butt and do nothing at all, then I have no right to gripe when there is no change made. Or that change is one that takes away my freedoms and liberties.

So I guess the main message in this long ramble is this.....If I can do this, get actively involved in an election process, then ANYONE can do this.

Ok...I'm going to work the courage up and push that post button now.

by Whitney McKay
Arkansas Housewife with a truck

8:09 AM, January 29, 2010  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

***** CLASSIFIED******
Annex D: Selection of Agent Provocateur
In order to successfully complete Phase I: of Operation Garden Plot, we need the most qualified candidate. Their missions are to infiltrate the tea-party and other angry American populist movement with qualified candidates into local races. They must be able to use their wits and resources to cause dissension and confusion in order to waste local resources and allow an easier way to identify severe radicals. Eventually they will be moved into FEMA Camps when the civil unrest takes place. The ideal candidate for this type of operation is a local member of the populace who has received high level of intelligence and operational experience on the international scale. Green Berets who have been in place for years are ideal operatives. Even better the ideal “Manchurian Candidate” is someone whose parents who have worked deep-cover for years in the local high-school and medical offices. Their children who have been raised among the local populace would be ideal candidates for advanced training as long as they have been properly indoctrinated.
Once trained, they should take a local job such as hardware store manager, insurance agent or UPS driver, anything that puts them in contact with a large number of the locals on a day-to-day basis. From time to time, we will ex-filtrate them for additional experience, education and indoctrination, under the auspices of military deployments and disruptive world events. Successful candidates will be required to marry a female of the local population from a reputable family and start to raise a family in order to maintain a proper cover and unquestionable credentials. (Continued on next page)
Other Components
Annex E: Sustainability
Annex F: Intelligence Gathering & Link Analysis
Annex G: Activation of Asset
Annex H: Support & Operational Methods
The operative’s method of operation will be to use available resources on the ground, in the sky and cyber-space. As part of the support package, regional control will provide support from a network of interconnected blog-slammers all over the world. Easy targets of opportunity are out of work political operatives which spend their time seemingly acting like they are know-it-alls. Blogs that get less than 100 readers a week are an ideal place to get the message out. Use their site, like it was a bathroom wall. (continued on next page)

for further details go here

http://cryptome.org/garden-plot.htm

8:25 AM, January 29, 2010  
Blogger EagleII said...

On the road but not incapacitated heading to the funeral of a real American, when some some whiny ass wannabe named Moore ( ya he's the guy who wrote the piece above and left his personal vendetta footprint allover it - ya see he just doesn't like men who served their nation in the WOT as Green Beret's.. bet he was a REMF if he even served ) vomits all over cyberspace.

If you follow his diatribe you will note he has one target that he focuses on, and is quite upset that target has a following. Trevor Drown. He and his other retarded friend Tolbert have one goal. Besmirch Green Beret Trevor Drown, they even created the name "Drownies" - something I kinda like as it shows many people working together as one for the People of Arkansas and The United States. The Drownies are a persistent lot because what we see is our valuable assets being squandered by socialists in power, and our rights under the Constitution vanishing, with the end results the loss of our sovereign nation
where we, the average guys and gals end up drones of the state.

If tomorrow all the things were gone,
I’d worked for all my life.
And I had to start again,
with just my children and my wife.

I’d thank my lucky stars,
to be livin here today.
‘ Cause the flag still stands for freedom,
and the Moores can's take that away.

I am proud to be a Drowy where at least I know I’m free. and I won't forget the men and women who served or died for me, and I'll gladly stand up next to you and defend the USA, Cause there ain’t no doubt I love this land, God bless the USA.

Joe Oliver a Drowy

8:31 AM, January 29, 2010  
Anonymous Dagny Taggert said...

Hank and EagleII are two of the people Mr. Moore was talking about.

Hank usually goes by the moniker Hank Reardon (a main character in Ayn Rand's book Atlas Shrugged).

While I agree with Mr. Moore's observations, I think his conclusions are faulty. I don't think Trevor would be part of a conspiracy like that, But he does have the training. As Ayn Rand points out in her book, if you find that your logical conclusion is wrong, check your premises, you will find that at least one of them is flawed None other that Roy Fleshman (the other green beret who is Trevor's partner in this fiasco he calls a campaign) told me that gren berets are trained to take down third world governments and help replace them with democracy friendly governments.

I think that Trevor does have a good heart, but he is carrying out his campaign by using the same propaganda tactics used in toppling those third world governments. Trevor has a huge ego, just ask anyone who has served with him in the military besides Fleshman and they will confirm this. That ego doesn't allow him to analyse data and situations he is not familiar with. This is why he is making mistakes in his campaign. He is running against the two party system, not for the office.

At the end of the day (specifically, Nov. 2) he will not win the senate seat because he is not running FOR anything. He thinks he is, but he can't articulate why anyone should vote for him except that he's not the other guys. He doesn't understand that political campaigns take a lot of money. His message, even if refined to political campaign perfection, will never get out unless he can raise a ton of money.

My prediction:

If he reports he raised $1.5 million or more when the next financial reports are turned in, and refines his message, he will get 20% of the vote and is a spoiler that puts Lincoln back in office.

Money and no message refinement; he will get 10%.

If he raises what I think he will raise in this reporting period and keeps spouting out the same rhetoric he is currently using; he will get no more than 6% of the vote, but more like 4%.

9:25 AM, January 29, 2010  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

�The people rule� � that is the Arkansas state motto and the Ouachita Tea Party�s message. This past Saturday, January 23, hundreds of people and political candidates gathered at the Old Armory to send that message to their representatives in Washington D.C. �Over 625 chairs were filled, and standing room was limited. Amidst patriotic music, speeches, and congregating with fellow patriots, the spirit of America was felt and the need for political courage was made evident.


The rally was dedicated to Janet Tisdel, an American patriot, who passed away on January 8 of this year.

Dr. Chris Ashworth, DVM and rancher from the Fort Smith area, spoke regarding the manner in which Arkansas has squandered their huge surplus funds, and Ashworth called for elected officials to be accountable for their actions. Ashworth also served as the master of the ceremonies and introduced various speakers and singers throughout the afternoon.


Among the many speakers, Trevor Drown spoke regarding his independent run for Senate.


Jon van Gorder, patriot, delivered an inspirational message to motivate people to action and encouraged people to know what candidates stand for no matter what their party affiliation is.


Jeannie Burlsworth, Chairman of Secure Arkansas, spoke about the importance of securing the boarders and not providing funding for illegal aliens.


Nate Bell, candidate for District 22 Arkansas State Representative suggested, �In order to preserve liberty, what we most desperately need is courage.� Bell asked, �Will you have the moral courage to run for office and help return our country to government of the people, by the people, and for the people?�


Brandon Ellison, candidate for Polk County judged encouraged the crowd, �You are weary, worried, and have been dismissed by leaders in Washington D.C. The media and liberals have dismissed you as irrelevant. They�ve called you an angry mob. But you are not. You are courageous, selfless, patriots.�


He continued, �There are 513,000 elected offices in our country, we must put a conservative in them one by one. We must replace their failed system.� He continued to say, �There are a lot of people that agree with us on many issues, but they are afraid to be here.� He concluded, �It takes courage.�


The Mena Tea Party, renamed the Ouachita Tea Party (OTP), was organized by Kenneth Cossey, Wayne Oates, and his wife Louise, in late August of 2009. The OTP�s objective is to stop the massive expansion of government, hold elected officials accountable to their actions, and voice individual opinions. The Tea Party�s first event, �A Rally for Freedom� was held in September of last year. Over 450 concerned citizens attended that debut event.


The OTP asks Mena and surrounding area citizens to step forward. In order to become more effective patriots it is imperative that citizens become more involved in local government. They urge citizens to�be an informed citizen by making it a priority to attend one (or more) local meetings every month.


© Copyright 2008 Mena Star

9:55 AM, January 29, 2010  
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10:01 AM, January 29, 2010  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just now figuring that out?

This was reported last August.

"The greatest cause for concern was the sudden interest in Drown from the left. Down with Tyranny, a renowned west coast blogger on liberal values has interviewed and written four articles in the last week, praising Drown’s credentials, open mind and honest talk. The ties between Down with Tyranny and ActBlue, the online clearing house for Democrat Action, are well known."

10:13 AM, January 29, 2010  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

First of all from what I know, Roy Fleshman was not a Green Beret. So your information is flawed. I have met him and talked to him, he has many other skill sets and experiences, one of which is a wood carver. I really like that soap box he carved. As far as I know, he is a good friend of Trevor. But hey lets drag the GOP blog posters in here also, like Andrea Lea, Mark Martin, and Andrew Stricklin, etc. Secondly, exactly when in history did Green Berets take down a third-world country and replace it with democratic one? From there the rest of your post becomes concern, wishful thinking and conjecture. The real humor is how much Drown is really getting under your skin. Money, money, always the money. Which Repug is going to come up with $5million to match Blanche? None of them! When they lose, they need someone to blame and since the GOP has already conceded they will lose the race, they are already willing to blame it all on Drown. The question is will he win or will one of the 11 or more running in the Republican primary split the conservative vote, thus giving the election to Lincoln. Because history has shown Republicans rarely win Federal offices in Arkansas especially the US Senate.

10:22 AM, January 29, 2010  
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Drew Pitt Checking in. Hey! I have run for office a bunch of times, quit giving Drown all the attention. This week it is Lt. Governor. Hooray! Go Progressive!

10:38 AM, January 29, 2010  
Anonymous Dagny Taggert said...

If Roy was/is not a green beret then he misrepresented himself to me. He also told me he was a resident of California.

It's not that I'm focused on money, it's just that I've seen a lot of good candidates never get elected because it takes money to win. Just ask Jim Gilchrist (Minuteman Project) about his run for US house as an independent. He raised a lot of money, but not enough to break through the noise.

$5,000,000 will not be enough to beat Lincoln or any of the Reps. Lincoln will spend more than $9 million by election day. It'll take at least $11 million for an independent to beat her.

Do I think money plays too large a role in politics? Yes. But thats the reality of it all. You can't change the game if you don't play it long enough to get into the position to make the change.

10:56 AM, January 29, 2010  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sounds like Roy made your panties moist and you are a jilted lover. I guess all those Jazz Band players you were banging in the past no longer take your call.

11:04 AM, January 29, 2010  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh, my goodness, now we have California dragged into this conspiracy. It is part of Arnold's master plan to create a master race of progressives. They will take our guns, open up hundred of medical marijuana stores; impregnate our women and so much worse. Good thing we have identified this Roy from California. Sounds like a real radical, let’s keep an eye on him.

11:10 AM, January 29, 2010  
Anonymous The Cat said...

The writer makes a good case. I think its agent Drown all the way.

12:17 PM, January 29, 2010  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Some folks sound like they truly believe in this guy. These same people sound completely unreasonable and emotional- if they want to convince voters to support their guy, they need quit taking posts like this personally and find a different forum to advance ideas and issues. Basically, the followers sound so personality-driven that it's off-putting to people who make decisions on a basis other than emotions.

12:40 PM, January 29, 2010  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Democrats and Republicans:

“We have the best politicians money can buy.”

-- Will Rogers

Vote Independent and upset the status quo apple cart. You heard the man 9 mil or better to HOLLER at you is spent on Democrat or Republican Campaigns? Give me a break from the noise. They want to drown own three words, three simple words that is a foundation
peg in our nations history.

They don't want you to hear these three words, only "Democrat or Republican.

To hell with these occupational politicians. It's time to shout it our from the roof tops of Arkansas.

WE THE PEOPLE elect Trevor Drown, not your money.

1:00 PM, January 29, 2010  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

and what did I just see above the item I just posted? Was that a call to CENSORSHIP of FREE SPEECH in a PUBLIC FORUM?

Yes sir indeedy it was. There's what the people of Arkansas c an expect from both parties who have their hands in our cookie jars.

SIT DOWN and SHUT UP..

oh yea, don't things seems a bit cattywampus to you the reader?

You Got It!!

WE THE PEOPLE shall prevail.

1:07 PM, January 29, 2010  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The political system we have "fallen under" is controlled by a small group of political elitists who use the powers of incumbency and the power of polarization and fear to dominate our government.

As America struggles to adhere to the “We the people” dictum of the Constitution, we must elect independent candidates who are free of the domination of the ruling parties. Do that and America can build an “enduring prosperity” for all.

Tom Reardon
Little Rock

1:26 PM, January 29, 2010  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Go Libertarian!
We do it with Liberty!

1:27 PM, January 29, 2010  
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1:30 PM, January 29, 2010  
Anonymous Dagny Taggert said...

If you believe in Trevor Drown, truly believe, then give him some money. He will surely need it. Call him or his campaign. Tell him you want to give him $250 or more but insist on a meeting for coffee next time he's in your neck of the woods. Talk with him. Make sure his beliefs are aligned with yours and that he has a plan to win the campaign and execute the duties of the office of a US Senator. Then write him a check. If you wont do that or donate your time to his campaign then you don't truly believe in him. If he won't meet with you then he's a phony. All of the worthwhile politicians I know, and it is a short list, will meet with me to collect a much smaller check than $250. Put your money where your mouth is or the republicans will paint him as a nut case and he won't be able to defend himself because that takes money. The democrats will just let it happen because Trevor being in the race at this point helps them.

1:33 PM, January 29, 2010  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

REMOVE THE BIG SPENDING, IRRESPONSIBLE, POLITICIANS
WHO HAVE ROBBED THE MEDICARE AND SOCIAL SECURITY "TRUST FUNDS"
AND HAVE MADE US DEPENDENT ON A COMMUNIST COUNTRY.

WE ARE $11,000,000,000,000.00 (ELEVEN TRILLION) IN DEBT! MUCH OF THAT DEBT IS HELD BY A COMMUNIST COUNTRY.

YOUR ELECTED OFFICIAL HAS PLAYED A KEY ROLE IN CREATING THIS TRAGEDY.

SOME RUNNING, NO MATTER THEY BE DEMOCRAT OR REPUBLICAN, WANT TO CONTINUE THIS TREND TO BRING OUR NATION DOWN AND MAKE ALL PART OF A ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT.

YOU CAN STOP THIS. VOTE INDEPENDENT

Sam Paley
Clinton, AR

1:49 PM, January 29, 2010  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes by all means, please buy the politican of your choice. Evidently, GOP politican comes much cheaper than an independent. Where does $250 a sit down come from, the secret Doyle Webb Playbook. Oh wait that didn't work too well, after all the Chairman of the RPA had to file bankruptcy this year. Finaly, there is your problem, "worthwhile politician", without a doubt an oxymoron. I have met Drown up in Greenwood, had chilli with him at the Bulldog Diner. Didn't cost me a dime, he never asked me for money. We talked for over an hour. I liked him, his views and I saw a leader, not a politican. Oh yeah, did I mention he was up there to raise money for the Arkansas Special Olympics? He raised over a grand. Please tell me about all the worthwile politicians that took time out from schelping out their drival to raise money for a charity?

1:58 PM, January 29, 2010  
Anonymous Dagny Taggert said...

All I'm saying is put your money where your mouth is.

The cold hard fact is that it takes money to win an election. Plenty of good candidates have run for office, and run out of money and never got elected.

Politics is nothing more than a game with real life consequences for the average people.

I don't care if Trevor met with you. I don't care that he didn't ask you for a dime. I'm just saying that if you believe in him, meet with him to make sure you two are on the same page and if so, give him money because like it or not, he's going to need and use every dime he's got.

If you want to tell me I'm full of "doggy do", that's fine. On Nov. 3rd I'll say "I told you so" if he doesn't raise at least $11 million.

BTW, I pulled the $250 figure out of my head. I thought it was a good round figure.

Money aside, he's got to start taking about his vision of America and what he's going to do to achieve it instead of just saying the 2 party system is dead. Right now that's all the public is hearing and a negative message never wins, especially for an independent.

As for worthwhile politician: I've got two that come to mind. Randy Brogdon (search on youtube, plenty of material), Tom Coburn ("Dr. No" of the US Senate), and John Wright, all from Oklahoma.

2:11 PM, January 29, 2010  
Anonymous Dagny Taggert said...

sorry, last paragraph should have said "I have three" not "I have two."

2:12 PM, January 29, 2010  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Play by your rules, the way you want it to happen using your thoughts.Two simple questions, see you can answer them.

Who is your GOP senate candidate of choice and why om regards to vision, etc.?

All I have seen from them is replace Blancge Lincoln and I can do it because I have the most money.

There are 9 to 11 candidates five months out before the final primary, obviouslly your candidates do not take a candle to him and you are concerned. He hasn't even started the signature drive yet, and you are showing how much of an impact he is having ten months from the general election.

If you have already pre-ordained that Trevor Drown will not make it, why bother to comment on him?

2:38 PM, January 29, 2010  
Anonymous Dagny Taggert said...

I don't have a favored candidate on the GOP side. I don't like any of them. They aren't ideologically similar to me from what I've seen. Trevor is.

Here's the simple fact. Unless you are a Joe Lieberman or Jesse Ventura, independents don't win. You have to have an err of celebrity around you and significant name recognition from day one to win. Like it or not, the DNC and RNC will make significant resources available to their candidates.

Like it or not and regardless of voter registration, the average voter feels more comfortable with someone who is a declared party member. Independents are seen as loose canons and so far, Trevor has proven to be just that.

Even though Arkansas voters are 95% registered independent, if you do some research you will find that 50% are self proclaimed democrats and 37% are self proclaimed republicans. Arkansas voters are much more savvy than Trevor gives us credit for. If you are registered as a specific party member, that is the only party where you can participate in the primary. If you are registered independent, you can vote in either party's primary. Arkansas voters know this and elected to keep their options open instead of limit their influence at the ballot box.

If Trevor is banking solely on the independent vote to get him elected, he's in for a rude awakening.

You can deny the rules of the game all you want, but when it's over, the people who don't play by the rules get sent home.

To answer your second question; I'm spending the time commenting on this because I'm hoping that Trevor will start running a real campaign instead of a third world regime change type campaign. If he doesn't then he wont win. I've heard that telling Trevor he can't do something is just asking him top defy what you said. That's why I said he will only get 6% of the vote. It's a challenge to prove he can win. I don't think he has it in him and I think that's a shame.

3:32 PM, January 29, 2010  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I see no facts and even your attempt to post the numbers you quote are incorrect. The rest is conjecture.

And what part of Arkansas is Leiberman and Ventura from? The rest is wishful thinking and side stepping. If you are really that concerned and want things to work, once again why are you wasting your time on this. Why are you not involved in your own party making this happen to any of the candidates that you don't like. Or even better get ahold of Trevor and offer you sage advice. He gets a ton of it from volunteers all over. Wait, let me guess, you are just one of those kooks that wastes time on the sidelines, doing nothing, but offering old tired arguments, or you shoulds... or don't do... Problem here is you view it as a game. You consider it a game and one with rules. First off if he knows how to topple governments and is trained, why is he now a whack job doing it all wrong? Look go back to Jenga, seems that is what you are best suited for. I am sure Trevor would be appreciative of your support, since you have hope you must admire him. Now get out on the street and carry his message or offer somthing constructive.

Robert Dale
Pope County

3:53 PM, January 29, 2010  
Anonymous Dagny Taggert said...

Well Robert,

Joe Lieberman is from Connecticut. he is a sitting US Senator. Jesse Ventura is a former Governor of Minnesota and pro wrestler.

My facts are from Gallup, one of the most respected non-partisan polling firms in the world.

My knowledge of Arkansas politics comes from living in Arkansas for over 20 years. I used to pass by Trevor's announcement spot on a weekly basis while driving between Russellville and Jasper. I know where the Dover lights are. I have canoed down Piney Creek from Helton's farm to Long Pool more times than I can count and probably know more miles of dirt roads in Pope county than you know exist.

I currently live out of state but I do have many relatives who live in Pope County. That is why I show an interest in this race. The fact that I live out of state is why I don't take an interest in the Arkansas GOP. I am heavily involved in politics in my home state and work relentlessly to get conservatives of both parties and independents elected.

I know how to win an election and I know how to lose an election as I've done both. I've been lucky enough to be on the winning side more than the losing side.

Because I work on those winning elections and help to raise funds, I have access to those candidates I now call Senator and Representative. I use that access to influence their decisions on important issues in a constitutionally palatable way.

So, take advice from Trevor on how to win a campaign....I wouldn't trust his advice on elections from what I've seen. BTW, His dad taught my civics class when I was in school, maybe that's another connection I have that draws my interest.

4:20 PM, January 29, 2010  
Anonymous Dagny Taggert said...

PLUS, I never said he was a whack job. I'm merely saying that running a political campaign in America is different than "toppling" a third world government via a propaganda campaign sponsored by the US government.

Also, is it a game? Yes it is. The one thing I've learned is that it is indeed a game with real life consequences and real life rules. One of the places you go to learn the rules of this game is the school of hard knocks. It's a very strategic game, one with infinite patience and definite results. It's just as much a game as "playing the stock market."

5:40 PM, January 29, 2010  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Quick, someone contact Alex Jones. We need him to investigate Drown's possible involvement in the Illuminati and whether or not he's a member of the Knight's Templar.

6:02 PM, January 29, 2010  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The guy is a fricking Hillbilly like most of Arkansas. To take him, his movement and his efforts srious is to say grass is blue. Decisions are made by those in power. The Green Beret is good for buffing my car and every one of these Vets that came back from over there should be put on a watch list!

9:34 PM, January 29, 2010  
Anonymous Jerry Ross said...

For starters, a green beret is a hat! An American soldier who wears one is a Special Forces qualified soldier or just called "SF" in the community.

I first met Trevor when we both assigned to the same unit, some years ago. I'd say the reason Trevor is running for Senate is because he fears that many of the people in DC these days are crooked, have no common sense and or have no idea about the US Constitution.

I would say the reason he is not Republican ticket is the Arkansas Republican Party is likely just as inattentive to the voter and as scared of the Tea Party movement as the Arkansas Democrat Party. I'd prefer to reform the GOP from the inside, as that's what I'm trying to do in my home state of Missouri.

Yes, I'm from out of state nor am I a man who wears the green beret. While I'm connected with the SF community, my background is more in the Airborne/Ranger side of house. However I know Trevor, trust his judgement, he is definitly a Big C" conservative and I wish him the best in his race.

5:39 AM, January 30, 2010  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well Mark, you've done it again. You have exposed the truth, brought out the zealots and provided us great entertainment as you have for so many years as Holt's Kool-Aide maker. What I don't understand is why the Holt Campaign or even mainline Republicans continue to ignore your sage advice and outlook.

You obviouslly have your fingers on the pulse of your people, the lunatic fringe. Maybe your nervous breakdown had something to do with it. Maybe next time you want to cash in your life savings and float over the cliff, you will think twice. Good luck on that new job. I hear being a Wal-Mart greeter is pretty easy.

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

When was the last time you were involved in a fight for freedom? It's time to take it to the streets. Our opponents want a street fight, Lets give them one they will not forget. Take it to the streets and tell your neighbors about Trevor Drown. Create some good old fashion homemade signs (be sure to include his website address on any item you make) and meet with friends at your local Home Depot, Lowes, WalMart as you collect signatures. Bring a tape recorder and play "Give Me Back My America". Put a bumper sticker on your "truck", car, van.. Knock on doors in your neighborhood with your family and pass out information as you enlist help . Blog, text message, facebook, tweet and email. Fight for your freedoms, as you take it to the streets. We can only do what you are willing to do.

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mark,

Thank you for writing on such an important topic.

Most citizens are not aware of the government's tricks.

Whether this guy is a fed agent or not, it is important to bring the issue to the forefront and ask the question.

The more people become aware of their tricks (such as false flag operations, etc.) the less they'll be able to get away with them.

I personally don't have an opinion whether this guy is a fed or not but again, thank you for bringing up the subject and planting seeds.

I hope you'll bring more attention to this subject as the feds conduct their false flag operations on the unsuspecting sheeple.

9:11 PM, January 30, 2010  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yeah Mark, thanks for planting seeds, they are really going to grow in Drown’s favor. The press will get a lot of mileage out of this one. Let's sum it up the close friend and personal advisor of one extremist who is also on the fringe and on the outs with the ARP using a blog to attack and smear a candidate and call into question who he is, his service and if he is part of some nationwide conspiracy to target tea parties extremists. I remember these meetings they took place after April 15 and before July 4th. Drown had not even entertained running for any kind of office until late June.

As far as your reference to ACORN, as I recall you and a few other republican operatives were trying to rapidly consolidate the tea party grassroots movements across the state and take them under the NW Arkansas area wing. Tom Cox had already made big inroads as the so-called founder of the "Original Arkansas Tea Party" But hey, you wanted to take over all the small ones out there. "Loosely" give me a break; you saw this as your big opportunity. Whether Drown saw this for what it was and called you on it or just voiced his opinion. It makes no difference. You had an ACORN style operation planned. You didn't get control. If Drown was doing what you really suggested, he would have been right alongside you encouraging others to follow your lead, so he could keep an eye on it, you, and work from within. It has to be frustrating being on your side of the fringe and seeing all this conservative movement happening and you can't figure out how to harness it or get involved. First thing you need is leadership, something you lack desperately. You obviously don't know how to build bridges. Here is someone for you to learn from and take notes on how to build a movement, by having a message and a good heart. Trevor Drown! Look at his followers. They number in the thousands and he doesn't use kool-aide to make it happen. He uses common sense, leadership and listens to what people has to say. He speaks from the heart and he is Arkansas. It is pretty amazing if you ask me. It drives you professional politicos’ nuts. You have become irrelevant. Heck even Holt considers you damaged goods.
This is a prime example why your phone calls are not returned from candidates you are trying to solicit for work.

12:20 AM, January 31, 2010  
Anonymous Fowler said...

All right, I now have an opinion. Either Trevor Drown is a fed provoceteur or his anonymous sycophant cheerleader is.

The conservative coalition needs to be brought together. Kudos to anyone who can bring liberty minded people together to defeat the forces of big government / globalism. It's like herding cats so it's not going to be easy - but it must be done.

To pretend that uniting and organising liberty minded people is somehow evil shows your lack of logic (which is why I suspect you are a fed provocateur - or at a minimum a useful idiot - which is not much better).

You said: "The press will get a lot of mileage out of this one"

The press is hostile to every liberty minded patriot in this state. The fact that you gleefully announce that the press is going to make hay out of something shows where your loyalties lie.

Look fool. The government you seem to love so much is spending your children into debt they'll never be able to repay. They are poisoning your children's water with fluoride and spiking the vaccines your children take with mercury. They are engaged in false flag attacks such as the recent underwear bomber and now claim that they must take a scan of everyone's naked body. Your children are going to be the ones suffering (along with mine) for the police state grid that is being set up right before our eyes.

So stop snivelling about someone trying to unite patriots.

You are a fed provocateur or a fool, but I repeat myself.

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